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	<title>Comments on: Work the Network</title>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/07/09/work-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-197690</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Networking in general is a tricky thing.  I went to a networking event soon after I lost my job.  I had contacted an alum from my school, and we talked for a bit, and then he invited me to the event.  Anyway, I found that if you were just willing to talk to people, they were often willing to talk to you.  Granted, there were plenty of people there that only wanted to make business connections and wouldn&#039;t waste their time on a short, young looking woman not connected to the next VC firm they&#039;re going to work with, but that was fine with me.  I don&#039;t like that kind of networking, where it&#039;s just sort of slimey and self-benefiting.  I definitely learned a lot from the people I met (many just wanted to give me advice and tell me to not do what they did back in the day), and followed up with them later to keep them updated.
The key is to help others, because you never know when you&#039;ll need their help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Networking in general is a tricky thing.  I went to a networking event soon after I lost my job.  I had contacted an alum from my school, and we talked for a bit, and then he invited me to the event.  Anyway, I found that if you were just willing to talk to people, they were often willing to talk to you.  Granted, there were plenty of people there that only wanted to make business connections and wouldn&#8217;t waste their time on a short, young looking woman not connected to the next VC firm they&#8217;re going to work with, but that was fine with me.  I don&#8217;t like that kind of networking, where it&#8217;s just sort of slimey and self-benefiting.  I definitely learned a lot from the people I met (many just wanted to give me advice and tell me to not do what they did back in the day), and followed up with them later to keep them updated.<br />
The key is to help others, because you never know when you&#8217;ll need their help.</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/07/09/work-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-197320</link>
		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see the Knitters group, and the Oracle Group. They have common interests to share information about a topic of information. My point is this:

1) Women make a group to support women and their simply working together. Men have a support group for men and they&#039;re sexist pigs.

2) You can have a black support group and they are helping each other. You have a white support group and you&#039;re a racist pig.

&quot;Even where I work now, there is a distinct old boys’ club. It might not be formal like Mapgirl’s networking group . . . &quot;

The reason it&#039;s not formal is because if they made it formal they would be sued by the women support group for being sexist pigs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see the Knitters group, and the Oracle Group. They have common interests to share information about a topic of information. My point is this:</p>
<p>1) Women make a group to support women and their simply working together. Men have a support group for men and they&#8217;re sexist pigs.</p>
<p>2) You can have a black support group and they are helping each other. You have a white support group and you&#8217;re a racist pig.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even where I work now, there is a distinct old boys’ club. It might not be formal like Mapgirl’s networking group . . . &#8221;</p>
<p>The reason it&#8217;s not formal is because if they made it formal they would be sued by the women support group for being sexist pigs.</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/07/09/work-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-197262</link>
		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traciatim,

There is a women&#039;s networking group at work because the men don&#039;t know where the mother&#039;s room is for pumping breast milk. &#039;nuff said.

FWIW, there is a knitter&#039;s group and a race-based groups as well. It&#039;s what the employees formed for themselves with the support of the company, not company imposed. Heck, I&#039;m an Oracle networking group too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traciatim,</p>
<p>There is a women&#8217;s networking group at work because the men don&#8217;t know where the mother&#8217;s room is for pumping breast milk. &#8217;nuff said.</p>
<p>FWIW, there is a knitter&#8217;s group and a race-based groups as well. It&#8217;s what the employees formed for themselves with the support of the company, not company imposed. Heck, I&#8217;m an Oracle networking group too.</p>
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		<title>By: Revanche</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/07/09/work-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-197257</link>
		<dc:creator>Revanche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job!  How did you find/select your group?  I&#039;ve been working on networking and looking into professional organizations the past couple months.

@Traciatim:  Women don&#039;t &quot;get&quot; a group while men aren&#039;t allowed; a women&#039;s group fills a need and doesn&#039;t hurt anyone.  And historically, there&#039;s a reason the phrase &quot;old boys&#039; club&quot; is engrained in the lexicon.    Men, and I&#039;m not saying all men because obviously there are socioeconomic divides within the gender, have always had some form of the old boys&#039; club.  

Even where I work now, there is a distinct old boys&#039; club.  It might not be formal like Mapgirl&#039;s networking group, but I guarantee you that no matter how smart, talented or accomplished a woman is, at the end of the day, she gets patted on the head, told what a good job she&#039;s doing, and sent home while the boys make the real decisions.  If a woman wants to succeed in that environment, she has to either join the (old boys&#039;) club, or learn to network in some other form.  

Men network differently than women, and I think the real relevant factor is that successful people network all the time.  If women form a structured organization to accomplish the same aims that many businessmen achieve by networking on the golf range, in a bar, or after hours, I don&#039;t see a reason for objection.  Perhaps it&#039;s because I&#039;m a woman, perhaps it&#039;s because I&#039;m ambitious, or perhaps I recognize that if what I need  doesn&#039;t come naturally to me, I need to find a way to make it happen.  

Whatever the case, I think that anyone who is willing to work, work hard and work smart is entitled to their achievements, assuming it&#039;s not at the expense of others.  And I don&#039;t think that a women&#039;s group falls under the category of &quot;at the expense of others.&quot;

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job!  How did you find/select your group?  I&#8217;ve been working on networking and looking into professional organizations the past couple months.</p>
<p>@Traciatim:  Women don&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; a group while men aren&#8217;t allowed; a women&#8217;s group fills a need and doesn&#8217;t hurt anyone.  And historically, there&#8217;s a reason the phrase &#8220;old boys&#8217; club&#8221; is engrained in the lexicon.    Men, and I&#8217;m not saying all men because obviously there are socioeconomic divides within the gender, have always had some form of the old boys&#8217; club.  </p>
<p>Even where I work now, there is a distinct old boys&#8217; club.  It might not be formal like Mapgirl&#8217;s networking group, but I guarantee you that no matter how smart, talented or accomplished a woman is, at the end of the day, she gets patted on the head, told what a good job she&#8217;s doing, and sent home while the boys make the real decisions.  If a woman wants to succeed in that environment, she has to either join the (old boys&#8217;) club, or learn to network in some other form.  </p>
<p>Men network differently than women, and I think the real relevant factor is that successful people network all the time.  If women form a structured organization to accomplish the same aims that many businessmen achieve by networking on the golf range, in a bar, or after hours, I don&#8217;t see a reason for objection.  Perhaps it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m a woman, perhaps it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m ambitious, or perhaps I recognize that if what I need  doesn&#8217;t come naturally to me, I need to find a way to make it happen.  </p>
<p>Whatever the case, I think that anyone who is willing to work, work hard and work smart is entitled to their achievements, assuming it&#8217;s not at the expense of others.  And I don&#8217;t think that a women&#8217;s group falls under the category of &#8220;at the expense of others.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/07/09/work-the-network/comment-page-1/#comment-197254</link>
		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it, how come women get a group, but if men had a men networking group there would be a huge uproar about sexist bigots and their &#039;old boys club&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it, how come women get a group, but if men had a men networking group there would be a huge uproar about sexist bigots and their &#8216;old boys club&#8217;?</p>
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