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	<title>Comments on: Fight The Man: Share Your Salary</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lanea</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193798</link>
		<dc:creator>lanea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, and it's also important to know that your right to discuss your own salary is a right you can't sign away via an employment contract.  Contracts and company policy books that require you to sign statements that you promise not to discuss your salary are not legally binding--according to my lawyer and a couple of other lawyers I discussed my situation with, it's like signing a medical waiver or an agreement to do something illegal--that stuff isn't and can't be binding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, and it&#8217;s also important to know that your right to discuss your own salary is a right you can&#8217;t sign away via an employment contract.  Contracts and company policy books that require you to sign statements that you promise not to discuss your salary are not legally binding&#8211;according to my lawyer and a couple of other lawyers I discussed my situation with, it&#8217;s like signing a medical waiver or an agreement to do something illegal&#8211;that stuff isn&#8217;t and can&#8217;t be binding.</p>
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		<title>By: lanea</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193797</link>
		<dc:creator>lanea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had a whole lot of fun with my employer (I'm a federal contractor) over the question of salary discussions.  The National Labor Relations Act and the First Amendment both  say it's your right to discuss your salary with anyone in the world.  You can't--and certainly shouldn't--try to demand that anyone tell you their salary, of course.  But the corporate argument that it's wrong to discuss salary with coworkers is a transparent ploy to prevent people from realizing they're underpaid, and it particularly hurts women and members of racial minorities.  Don't believe the hype.  Of course, protecting your right to free speech and open salary negotiation could get you fired for the wrong reasons and then entangle you in a really exciting court case, but it's important to know that you have the legal right to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a whole lot of fun with my employer (I&#8217;m a federal contractor) over the question of salary discussions.  The National Labor Relations Act and the First Amendment both  say it&#8217;s your right to discuss your salary with anyone in the world.  You can&#8217;t&#8211;and certainly shouldn&#8217;t&#8211;try to demand that anyone tell you their salary, of course.  But the corporate argument that it&#8217;s wrong to discuss salary with coworkers is a transparent ploy to prevent people from realizing they&#8217;re underpaid, and it particularly hurts women and members of racial minorities.  Don&#8217;t believe the hype.  Of course, protecting your right to free speech and open salary negotiation could get you fired for the wrong reasons and then entangle you in a really exciting court case, but it&#8217;s important to know that you have the legal right to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193768</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in management for a company that has some 80k+ employees.  While attending a training seminar last month, we were told by the attorney giving the presentation that it was recently determined the non-management employees can share their salary information with their co-workers without breaking policy.  Somehow the courts ruled that employees can't be discplined for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in management for a company that has some 80k+ employees.  While attending a training seminar last month, we were told by the attorney giving the presentation that it was recently determined the non-management employees can share their salary information with their co-workers without breaking policy.  Somehow the courts ruled that employees can&#8217;t be discplined for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian A</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193730</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this post was too smart for me.  My head hurts :)

Last place I worked had "open book" accounting where every one's salary was known.  I found it added a lot of distractions but the whole shroud of secrecy you mention is also ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post was too smart for me.  My head hurts <img src='http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Last place I worked had &#8220;open book&#8221; accounting where every one&#8217;s salary was known.  I found it added a lot of distractions but the whole shroud of secrecy you mention is also ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: mapgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193720</link>
		<dc:creator>mapgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - I hadn't meant for people to post their salaries in the comments, but OK!

You have to be judicious about sharing your salary. For instance, I won't share mine here and generally try to obscure it in other ways since my friends read my blog. But if they flat out asked me, of course I would tell them. It doesn't really bother me since most of us are IT geeks.

Also, if management finds out and gets irritated by your activities to ferret out what others make, you can often be fired, so BE CAREFUL.

It kills me that people will lie about their salary. It's one thing to bump it up per the benefits and perqs you get at a job for a salary negotiation, and quite another thing to keep up with the Joneses for ego's sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL - I hadn&#8217;t meant for people to post their salaries in the comments, but OK!</p>
<p>You have to be judicious about sharing your salary. For instance, I won&#8217;t share mine here and generally try to obscure it in other ways since my friends read my blog. But if they flat out asked me, of course I would tell them. It doesn&#8217;t really bother me since most of us are IT geeks.</p>
<p>Also, if management finds out and gets irritated by your activities to ferret out what others make, you can often be fired, so BE CAREFUL.</p>
<p>It kills me that people will lie about their salary. It&#8217;s one thing to bump it up per the benefits and perqs you get at a job for a salary negotiation, and quite another thing to keep up with the Joneses for ego&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Hamm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Hamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even worse, some people will outright lie about their salary.

My favorite work environment I've ever seen posted everyone's salaries on a list and all salary increases were done by majority vote.  The boss would propose a raise for a worker, everyone knew the amount of the proposed raise and who was getting it, and they'd vote by secret ballot with a public vote count.  Seriously.  You know what?  There was absolutely no complaining about salaries at that company, because everyone was involved with the decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even worse, some people will outright lie about their salary.</p>
<p>My favorite work environment I&#8217;ve ever seen posted everyone&#8217;s salaries on a list and all salary increases were done by majority vote.  The boss would propose a raise for a worker, everyone knew the amount of the proposed raise and who was getting it, and they&#8217;d vote by secret ballot with a public vote count.  Seriously.  You know what?  There was absolutely no complaining about salaries at that company, because everyone was involved with the decision.</p>
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		<title>By: traineeinvestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>traineeinvestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While some judicious sharing of information can be useful, as mentioned care needs to be taken - it is easy to rub management (i.e. the people who set your salary and bonus and decide promotions) the wrong way if they realise what you are doing.  Also, there are real risks in not making like for like comparisons either as to the employee's value (skill set, experience, work levels and competence) and the job you are comparing your's to.

As a final point, getting a good salary is important, but for those at the early stage of your career, building a good cv and getting the right training and experience are much more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While some judicious sharing of information can be useful, as mentioned care needs to be taken - it is easy to rub management (i.e. the people who set your salary and bonus and decide promotions) the wrong way if they realise what you are doing.  Also, there are real risks in not making like for like comparisons either as to the employee&#8217;s value (skill set, experience, work levels and competence) and the job you are comparing your&#8217;s to.</p>
<p>As a final point, getting a good salary is important, but for those at the early stage of your career, building a good cv and getting the right training and experience are much more important.</p>
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		<title>By: Mika</title>
		<link>http://www.mapgirl.net/mfc/2008/04/28/fight-the-man-share-your-salary/#comment-193706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a Staff I at one of the Big 4 accounting firms and my salary is $52K this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Staff I at one of the Big 4 accounting firms and my salary is $52K this year.</p>
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		<title>By: donna jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If you are worth $50K and the company is only willing to pay $45K, then find another employer because there is someone out there who is willing to value you appropriately"

Yeah, that! Oh if I could just get that through the partner's head -- and we're not talking a measly 5K difference in worth/willing either. Sigh, maybe someday soon that thought will sink in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you are worth $50K and the company is only willing to pay $45K, then find another employer because there is someone out there who is willing to value you appropriately&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that! Oh if I could just get that through the partner&#8217;s head &#8212; and we&#8217;re not talking a measly 5K difference in worth/willing either. Sigh, maybe someday soon that thought will sink in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a MSW social worker and I made $58K last year but I work in a community mental health setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a MSW social worker and I made $58K last year but I work in a community mental health setting.</p>
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		<title>By: justhere</title>
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		<dc:creator>justhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in sales. I am underpaid in comparision to some of my co-workers. Last year I made 40k with bonuses that averaged $500 per month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in sales. I am underpaid in comparision to some of my co-workers. Last year I made 40k with bonuses that averaged $500 per month.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in general IT and had a banner year last year -- cleared between 250 and 300K via a combo of W-2, bonus, and consulting.  It was too many hours and not enough personal time.  This year will be probably closer to 170K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in general IT and had a banner year last year &#8212; cleared between 250 and 300K via a combo of W-2, bonus, and consulting.  It was too many hours and not enough personal time.  This year will be probably closer to 170K.</p>
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		<title>By: Twiggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twiggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is always something I wonder about! I will be working in academia. My postdoctoral position will be NIH funded...and therefore there is a set pay scale. However, once I enter academia there is really no certain salary. It is contingent on experience, public v. private, research I v. liberal arts, how much teaching v. how much research, 9 mo. salary v. 12 mo. salary, etc. I've gotten ballpark figures from people that range from 40K - 60K for a tenure-track position in behavioral sciences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is always something I wonder about! I will be working in academia. My postdoctoral position will be NIH funded&#8230;and therefore there is a set pay scale. However, once I enter academia there is really no certain salary. It is contingent on experience, public v. private, research I v. liberal arts, how much teaching v. how much research, 9 mo. salary v. 12 mo. salary, etc. I&#8217;ve gotten ballpark figures from people that range from 40K - 60K for a tenure-track position in behavioral sciences.</p>
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